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drjamessidbury: Well, I'm here so we can begin
rtzjm8: ok
BB uu GG 22 44: What exactly does the b project entail
marix3anne: okay
drjamessidbury: who has a question from last timeo
drjamessidbury: if this were a regular class the B project would entail you doing research on a technology subject not necessarily requiring data analysis and then giving a classroom presentation/demonstration of it
drjamessidbury: the classroom demo will be impractical for most of you but if you're local then you could demo it for me.
rtzjm8: I just looked at my website, and the pictures that I put there did not show up. they were .jpg
drjamessidbury: In the past students have done show and tell and powerpoint of blackberries, Wii's, Guitar hero, digital cameras, stuff like that
borysboy: so do we just make a powerpoint about it? Just talk about it's features etc?
drjamessidbury: jpg shuold show up
rtzjm8: any idea why?
drjamessidbury: but when you put a picture in a web page it does not put the picture in the web page it just puts a link to it
drjamessidbury: so you need to actually use filezilla or core or fetch to copy the picture itself to your web site
BB uu GG 22 44: okay thank you
rtzjm8: ok, thanks!
drjamessidbury: aren't you glad that I haven't gotten the time to review the sites yet :-D
rtzjm8: yes!
PaulinaM2012: by "demo", do you mean that we need to bring in the item and use it?
PaulinaM2012: for instance, i would like to present the ipod, but i don't have one....
drjamessidbury: that's what has happened during the regular semester
drjamessidbury: are you local paulina?
PaulinaM2012: kind of, i can come down to Scranton
drjamessidbury: I have an iPod, you could use it to demo it to me if you want to
drjamessidbury: just let me know
drjamessidbury: ROLL Call
marix3anne: marianne patterson
rtzjm8: Molly Hritzo
dialkyle19: kyle frank
borysboy: Jesse Borys
PaulinaM2012: paulina maida
BB uu GG 22 44: Donald Belcher
dialkyle19: if we are local when should we stop by to do demo?
drjamessidbury: And some people didn't actually demo anything. They just described what they could do.
BB uu GG 22 44: So if we're local all we have to do is do a presentation in front of you and not create anything on our website
rtzjm8: that's enough for those of us who aren't local, right?
drjamessidbury: For example there was a student with a camcorder and it takes too long to make a video and edit it so she just talked about the machine and showed a simple video that she made and put it on her powerpoint
BB uu GG 22 44: oh okay
drjamessidbury: if you';re local you can make an appointment to show it to me and if you aren't you can make an appointment to meet me on line and show me the slide show and IM about it.
marix3anne: okay
rtzjm8: got it!
dialkyle19: k
PaulinaM2012: ok
drjamessidbury: I was reading about stuff today on www.engadget.com and found a product from Opera (the browser maker) called Opera Unite which does some exciting things from your own computer
marix3anne: like what?
drjamessidbury: I'll probably do some experimenting with it before next time and discuss it a little
drjamessidbury: you might be interested in it too
drjamessidbury: just google opera unite to find the place
marix3anne: i found an article on pcmag.com
marix3anne: yesterday the new model of the blackberry was introduced
marix3anne: the blackberry tour
drjamessidbury: It has chat rooms, music rooms, file sharing, etc and maybe the opportunity to run presentations live on mulitple computers
drjamessidbury: What does the tour do?
drjamessidbury: other than make calls etc
marix3anne: well its sort of like a blend of the bold, the curve, and the storm
marix3anne: it has all of the new features of the storm (email, i/m, gps, etc), but it isnt touchscreen
drjamessidbury: real keys or virtual ones?
drjamessidbury: or both?
marix3anne: it has the QWERTY keyboard
marix3anne: and the scroll ball
drjamessidbury: who services it?
marix3anne: it can be basically any carrier
marix3anne: the two big ones are sprint and verizon
drjamessidbury: what does it cost? service plan that is?
marix3anne: im not sure that that information is available yet
marix3anne: but im sure its expensive
drjamessidbury: how would you (all) feel if the U adopted an official smart phone with "full" service and a substantial discount price that was mandatory?
marix3anne: i probably would be opposed
drjamessidbury: for example, and iPhone with a 45 dollar data and phone plan for 150 for the 200 dollar model
rtzjm8: I don't know. I would probably be opposed.
drjamessidbury: that's about half price for the service
PaulinaM2012: I wouldn't like it, because we lose individuality
rtzjm8: definitely. I like the phone I have.
marix3anne: my dad works for verizon so i would have to start paying for something that i now get for free
drjamessidbury: how about a standard required notebook computer?
drjamessidbury: which would cost probably about 2/3 of the discount price?
marix3anne: i'd be for that
rtzjm8: I wouldn't like that either, because it would probably mean buying a notebook I didn't like, AKA a dell. I like my mac!:-)
drjamessidbury: with the ability to choose from several essentially identical models but with different memory sizes or disk sizes etc
drjamessidbury: lots of schools do that with the point that you have to get their computer but it's about half price and it's included into your tuition and fees so that it gets paid for over 2 or 3 semesters with a "free" campus service center
borysboy: I rather just make my own choices instead of the school making them for me
drjamessidbury: do any of you take courses (other than this one) that has "standard" software requirements?
rtzjm8: No
marix3anne: no
dialkyle19: is scranton think about doing that?
borysboy: nope
drjamessidbury: for example a literature course in which you turn in your papers electronically and they have to be in Word 2003 format
drjamessidbury: As far as I know they are not.
PaulinaM2012: for my english class last semester, we had to turn it in in Word 2003, because that was the only version our teacher had
marix3anne: i feel like it wouldnt be a big deal as long as it was only mandatory for incoming freshmen
PaulinaM2012: *turn it in through email, that is
drjamessidbury: TPTB think it would add on to the price of going to school here although it would actually be cheaper IMHO
borysboy: the thing is a lot of us buy computers before we know where we're going
drjamessidbury: do any of your (other) classes (require you to) use Excel or PowerPoint or any other "regular type" software?
borysboy: so if I bought my own computer I wouldn't want to go somewhere that will make me get another
rtzjm8: very true. I bought my in high school.
rtzjm8: Chemistry lab uses Excel
drjamessidbury: how many of you decided where to go before graduating?
PaulinaM2012: i did
rtzjm8: I had to.
borysboy: I did
BB uu GG 22 44: yes
dialkyle19: ya
marix3anne: i did
drjamessidbury: so all of you
drjamessidbury: how many of you got "new" computers for college before choosing your school?
marix3anne: not me
PaulinaM2012: not me
borysboy: I think I did
rtzjm8: I bought mine the summer between junior and senior year of high school
dialkyle19: i did
drjamessidbury: in most of my classes about 2/3 to 3/4 of the class got a new computer for college after graduation so this group seems to be different than normal
drjamessidbury: OK let's get to hardware
BB uu GG 22 44: ok
dialkyle19: k
rtzjm8: ok
marix3anne: ok
PaulinaM2012: ok
drjamessidbury: How many computers do YOU have?
marix3anne: 1
PaulinaM2012: in our house or ourselves personally?
drjamessidbury: personally
dialkyle19: 1
PaulinaM2012: 1
borysboy: 1
BB uu GG 22 44: In our house we have 4
rtzjm8: 1
rtzjm8: in our house we have 3
rtzjm8: but we will be buying 2 more laptops soon
drjamessidbury: 24 percent of homes have at least 3 computers
drjamessidbury: 15 percent have none
drjamessidbury: how many of you have relatives with no computer?
PaulinaM2012: i do
drjamessidbury: I'm not sure that I do
dialkyle19: i do
marix3anne: i do
borysboy: I don't
rtzjm8: i dont
drjamessidbury: my 93 year old dad has one.
BB uu GG 22 44: lol
marix3anne: wow hes progressive
PaulinaM2012: thats amazing
rtzjm8: awesome
marix3anne: good for him
drjamessidbury: how many "computing devices" do you have personally?
marix3anne: does a calculator count?
rtzjm8: does this include phones, calcs, etc
drjamessidbury: a calculator is a computing device if it has a processor memory and can run programs
drjamessidbury: so most calculators would not count
borysboy: uh like 6
drjamessidbury: how many devices do you have that run programs
rtzjm8: I have 4.
dialkyle19: 3 i think
rtzjm8: that covers both
BB uu GG 22 44: like 3
marix3anne: i think i have just one.. my computer
drjamessidbury: name them Jesse
borysboy: video game systems count right?
drjamessidbury: yes
borysboy: macbook
borysboy: iphone
borysboy: ti-89
borysboy: PS3
borysboy: idk if like the older video games would count?
drjamessidbury: yes
borysboy: so like gamecube n64 and such would count?
drjamessidbury: yes
drjamessidbury: I probably have 20 or 30 computing devices
borysboy: i have another calc that runs programs too idk what it's called
borysboy: lol wow
rtzjm8: wow!!
PaulinaM2012: i guess technology must be in your blood, with your dad and all
drjamessidbury: nes snes sega genesis, sega CD, wii, iPod, microwave oven, 9 computers, and other stuff
drjamessidbury: oh, and almost all cell phones are computing devices
borysboy: lol microwave?
drjamessidbury: most cars have computers in them
rtzjm8: not mine!
drjamessidbury: yes to cook bacon in my microwave i press sensor cook - 7
drjamessidbury: to warm a cup of coffee i press beverage
drjamessidbury: those are programs
drjamessidbury: now, how many of you would like to double your previous estimates?
drjamessidbury: that's a rhetorical question, btw
drjamessidbury: the stereo in my car runs programs, and the engine has computers to do things
drjamessidbury: dvr's dvd's cable/satellite boxes, ...
borysboy: so pretty much anything electronic?
drjamessidbury: pretty much
drjamessidbury: an old stereo maybe not
drjamessidbury: older tv's maybe not
rtzjm8: how about vcr?
drjamessidbury: but if you have a tv and no cable or satellite then you now need a digital converter and guess what it is?
drjamessidbury: can you"program" your VCR?
drjamessidbury: then it's a computer
rtzjm8: cool!
drjamessidbury: now that I think of it I may need to raise my estimate a bit higher
drjamessidbury: and some printers have computers in them for specialized stuff so even if you only have one computer you may have 2 or 3 computers just with it
drjamessidbury: so what makes something a computer?
drjamessidbury: well it has to run programs but the programs can be built in like a microwave
drjamessidbury: and it needs certain constituent parts
drjamessidbury: a processor or CPU
drjamessidbury: primary storage or memory
drjamessidbury: secondary storage or storage
drjamessidbury: peripheral devices such as input devices and output devices
drjamessidbury: and a box to put them all in often called a system unit
drjamessidbury: sometimes these are all built into a single (more or less) unit but often they are separate devices connected by wires or maybe wirelessly
drjamessidbury: oh and I forgot
drjamessidbury: I have an electric toothbrush so that's another computer
rtzjm8: no way
drjamessidbury: but my water pic is not a computer
drjamessidbury: my electric toothbrush is programmable for the amount of time.
borysboy: what if you just push the button and it goes for 2 mins?
borysboy: is that not a computer then?
drjamessidbury: I have it set to run 30 seconds, pause slightly and repeat this a total of 4 times so that I do my top outside, top inside, bottom outside, bottom inside
drjamessidbury: and I can change the settings.
drjamessidbury: if it just goes for 2 minutes only it still maybe be a computing device but it might not be
drjamessidbury: Oh and my internet connection box is also a computer
drjamessidbury: these embedded computers account for 90 to 95% of all cpu's in use today
drjamessidbury: In general the hardware of a computer is divided into lots of parts each of which does only a few simple things
drjamessidbury: but this makes the engineering of them simpler, cheaper and more reliable.
drjamessidbury: the CPU (central processing unit) on most computers is a single chip called a microprocessor.
drjamessidbury: in ancient historical times, like 10 years ago and more, large computers had CPUs that consisted of several chips but for the most part that is no longer true
drjamessidbury: but the number of individual discrete circuits that would have to be used to build the equivalent of a single chip microprocessor would run into the 10's of millions
drjamessidbury: each processor is broken down into two parts: an arithmetic and logic unit (ALU) which actually does the computing and the Control Unit (this is surprisingly not abbreviated) which tells the ALU what to do
drjamessidbury: microprocessor chips also contain some memory called cache.
drjamessidbury: and pronounced cash
drjamessidbury: so occasionally I'll see cache abbreviated as $
drjamessidbury: the purpose of cache is to speed up operations
drjamessidbury: what the cpu does is executes (meaning runs) instructions
drjamessidbury: each instruction has two parts of which one may be null (or not used)
drjamessidbury: these two parts are called the operation (op) and the operand (not abbreviated) The Op code describes what the instruction is supposed to do
drjamessidbury: the operand is what the operation is supposed to be done to
drjamessidbury: so for example an instruction could say something like (and I'm making up the notation here)
drjamessidbury: ad r1
drjamessidbury: which would mean add the contents of register 1 to the accumulator
drjamessidbury: inside the CPU are special memory cells called registers each of which has a special purpose
drjamessidbury: for example one of the registers is supposed to contain the location in memory of the next instruction
drjamessidbury: this register is called the program counter
drjamessidbury: let's quit the CPU and come back to it in a few minutes
borysboy: ok
drjamessidbury: modern computers use a scheme called "von neumann architecture"
rtzjm8: who's von neumann
drjamessidbury: John von Neumann was a famous mathematician from the early to mid 20th century who invented this concept
drjamessidbury: his name is pronounced von (actually it's probably fun) noy'mun with the accent on the noy
drjamessidbury: his idea was that the program that the computer was running should be stored in the computer's memory while the program was being run
rtzjm8: so, RAM
drjamessidbury: One of the first computers, the ENIAC (electronic numerical intergrator and calculator) was built at UPenn during WWII
drjamessidbury: its purpose was to calculate ballistics trajectories for mortar shells that were used on the battle field
rtzjm8: my grandfather worked on early IBMs for the PA railroad. I think they were mainframes.
drjamessidbury: the temperature, humidity, wind direction, etc made a big difference as to the flight of a mortar and if they weren't taken into account then the mortar might miss the target by enough distance to be ineffective
rtzjm8: They were 1401a
rtzjm8: no a.
drjamessidbury: I programmed a 1401 when I was in college
rtzjm8: fun!
rtzjm8: It was all in assembly language
drjamessidbury: anyhow to change the program in the ENIAC they had to take the circuit boards out of the machine and rewire them
drjamessidbury: the 1401 I programmed was programmed in a language called autocoder
drjamessidbury: is you grandfather still living?
rtzjm8: yes!
drjamessidbury: ask him if he programmed in autocoder
rtzjm8: Will do.
drjamessidbury: That computer was programmed using punched cards that were about as thick as a business card and about the size of a legal envelope maybe slightly smaller
rtzjm8: I just checked. He used autocoder, after assembly.
drjamessidbury: the computer had a tray that was about 6 feet long and the cards were stacked into the tray and the computer would suck in a card read it and perform the instructions that were on the cards
drjamessidbury: so typically at the college where I was working a typical program deck was about half an inch thick since most users were students while a more complex program might be an inch or even two thick
drjamessidbury: so the first program I ran was about 1/2 and inch think and when the computer started processing it the machine proceeded to run all six feet of cards through the processor while the computer operators sat there in amazement since they had never seen anything like that before
drjamessidbury: it turned out that I had made a very obscure mistake that told the computer to process each card after a certain one as if it were data no matter what the card actually contained.
drjamessidbury: the next day my instructor added instructions to the machine to keep beginners from messing up like that
rtzjm8: wow!
drjamessidbury: The motherboard of a computer is a circuit board on which most of the components are connected
drjamessidbury: the CPU is plugged into the motherboard in a particular connector.
drjamessidbury: different CPUs require different connectors so for example an Intel core 2 duo blah blah would not fit into the place designed to hold an AMD blah, blah chip
drjamessidbury: if you build your own computer you can buy a motherboard to build it on. Some computers come in what's called "barebones" configuration. This configuration consists of a box with a motheboard and power supply attached together with connectors on the outside of the box to hook stuff up into
drjamessidbury: several of the conputers I've built come in a form like that.
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drjamessidbury: You can also buy a separate case and a separate power supply and a separate motherboard to assemble your own computer
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drjamessidbury: Lots of hobbiests do that if they are building a special computer.
drjamessidbury: For example if you're a SERIOUS gamer then you may need a very powerful processor and a very powerful video system.
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drjamessidbury: If you want to set up a a PVR then you probably want an extensive amount of storage and a reasonably fast processor and middle of the road video card
drjamessidbury: some of the most powerful video cards require more power than many entire computers use.
drjamessidbury: For example the computer that I'm using right this minute has a relatively small power supply (in terms of capacity) not physical size
drjamessidbury: so it's limited to what you can put in it.
rtzjm8: do other power supplies multiply what they receive?
drjamessidbury: my video board is a bottom of the line board and I only have one DVD burner and one hard drive.
drjamessidbury: I think my Powersupply runs about 75 watts.
drjamessidbury: Some top of the line video boards run 300 or 400 watts all by themselves
drjamessidbury: and maniac games may want to put two video boards in their system for even better performance.
drjamessidbury: But since these boards typically cost 500 dollars each that's too rich for my blood.
rtzjm8: definitely.
drjamessidbury: especially when you consider that I can buy the same board next year for 150 and the year after that for 50 bucks
drjamessidbury: any how the system unit houses most of the parts and is a separate box except in the case of computers like an iMac which puts all these items in the back if the screen. But I don't in general like that kind of arrangement.
rtzjm8: why not?
drjamessidbury: it's a very clean look and doesn't have any wasted space to speak of BUT
drjamessidbury: the parts are packed closely together so it's hard to work on such a machine and upgrading it is hard to do
drjamessidbury: also the heat is higher than for a normal machine
rtzjm8: true, but it is a good machine for someone who is not always modifying.
drjamessidbury: typically desktops like this use notebook hard drives which typically are smaller in capacity and cost more and tend to wear out quicker
drjamessidbury: Oh if you don't want to do any service work you can buy one of these along with a 3 year service contract and go your merry way
drjamessidbury: when it needs service soemtime after three years you just throw it away ^h ^H etc recycle it and buy a new one.
rtzjm8: what about the new iMacs that have terabyte hard drives?
drjamessidbury: as far as I know there aren't any with terabyte internal hard drives
rtzjm8: if u look on apple.com, the new iMac has a 1 TB hard drive.
rtzjm8: I just looked.
borysboy: wow
drjamessidbury: I just checked
drjamessidbury: I don't think there are any 2.5" T hard drives so it must use a regular hard drive.
drjamessidbury: The other thing I don't like about those systems is their tight integration
drjamessidbury: for example if the screen goes bad then you have to replace the entire computer
drjamessidbury: BUT this is just MY personal opinion.
drjamessidbury: If I were recommending one for my dad or my wife or even my daughter and I weren't going to be responsible for service then I might just recommend a machine like that.
drjamessidbury: They don't take up a lot of room and they do look nice.
drjamessidbury: They're just not for me.
drjamessidbury: so the motherboard fits in the system unit and everything else hooks up to it
drjamessidbury: one of the things that hooks up to the motherboard is the memory
drjamessidbury: it is in DIMM chips and different motheboards use different kinds of DIMM chips
drjamessidbury: MY current notebook uses 204 pin DDR2 SO-DIMMS. You can probably google that and see a picture of what they look like or go to an online computer store such as www.newegg.com and look for computer memory and see a picture of that
drjamessidbury: In general memory is very easy to install in almost all computers.
drjamessidbury: for my macbook pro it just involves removing the battery and taking out two screws to remove a panel and the memory chips are then easy to see
drjamessidbury: Almost all computer vendors overcharge for memory so most people would be well served by buying separate memory and installing it.
borysboy: I did that, I saved $100
drjamessidbury: I almost always buy my computers with as little memory as possible and then install more if necessary
amyo8x2: my dad does that too
rtzjm8: that's cool! Where do u get the extra memory from.
drjamessidbury: my macbook pro came with I think 1gb memory
borysboy: OWC has some good mac ram
rtzjm8: thanks! I'm thinking of buying a new macbook pro, and I wanted more memory, but it IS expensive.
drjamessidbury: so I bought a matched pair of 2gb chips and replaced the old chips with the new ones and saved a bundle. IIRC the chips I bought were about 125 and apple wanted 250 or so for 4gb installed
drjamessidbury: the only thing is you should save your old memory
rtzjm8: what do you do with it?
borysboy: yea I saved mine, they wanted to buy mine back for like $20
drjamessidbury: because Apple I know and probably Dell, HP etc will not work on your computer if you send it in for repair and it has someone else memory in it
drjamessidbury: so if you need to send your computer in for repair you put the old memory back and send it in
drjamessidbury: otherwise they'll take it out (and NOT GIVE IT BACK TO YOU) and tell you that that's the problem.
borysboy: my macbook's hard drive crashed after a week, I sent it in and they sent me a brand new one as soon as I mailed the old one
drjamessidbury: In general I think that you should put as much memory in your computer as you can afford
drjamessidbury: That allows you to run lots of programs at the same time without losing speed
drjamessidbury: and you can work with more data that way too
drjamessidbury: they are usually good about things like that
drjamessidbury: but the last mac notebook I had had to go th the factory three times
borysboy: my macbook's hard drive actually crashed when I tried to install windows
drjamessidbury: and the third tiem they kept it for a month
borysboy: so I joke around that windows killed it
amyo8x2: a MONTH !?
borysboy: wow I'd hate that
rtzjm8: me too.
drjamessidbury: I sent a personal letter to Steve Jobs (via the post office) and about a week later I got a phone call from a muckity muck at apple
rtzjm8: without a computer for a month
drjamessidbury: we worked out a solution to the problem
drjamessidbury: OH I had my 8 other computers to get by on so it was mostly inconvenient and for school I mostly needed Office and some programming languages and Dreamweaver and Flash which I had on my Windows computer or the desktop mac in my office
drjamessidbury: but I was still upset about it.
amyo8x2: 8 computers..
drjamessidbury: 4 notebooks/4 desktops
drjamessidbury: although come to think of it, I only had 3 desktops at the time and 2 notebooks
drjamessidbury: but still that was enough
drjamessidbury: anyhow you can usually find a sweet spot for memory.
marix3anne: doesnt that get confusing?
marix3anne: with so many computers?
drjamessidbury: I was checking out the new macbooks for a friend of mine and I noticed that 2 1gb chips cost about 60 dollars for a notebook and 2 2gb chips cost about 110 dollars which is about the same for the two.
drjamessidbury: But two 4gb chips cost about 700 dollars
rtzjm8: whoa, big difference.
drjamessidbury: so to upgrade from 1 to 2 costs 40, 1 to 4 costs 110, 1 to 8 costs 700
drjamessidbury: I'm going to go from 1 to 4
drjamessidbury: and wait for two years of so for the price of 4 gb chips to go down
drjamessidbury: The number of computers I have is not confusing to me.
borysboy: OWC is offering a 6 GB ram for $190
drjamessidbury: One of them a windows computer is exclusively used for games
borysboy: I was tempted to buy it but it sounds sketchy
borysboy: you get a 4 GB and a 2 GB, and I heard macbooks can only support up to 4 GB
drjamessidbury: one of the other windows computers is used exclusively for piping movies, tv shows that I record around the house (as well as DVD's ) I've ripped.
drjamessidbury: A third one of them is a general machine
drjamessidbury: it's the one I'm using now
drjamessidbury: that would depend on the operating system as to how much ram can be supported
drjamessidbury: for example windows xp and vista can only support 3 gb ram out of the box
drjamessidbury: there are changes you can make to allow more ram to be used up to 8 gb I think.
drjamessidbury: or you can do what I did and install vista64 bit on this computer and it supports 8 gb out of the box
borysboy: do you know if updating to snow leopard would let me use 8?
drjamessidbury: But for most people who are doing most things 2 gb is probably adequate enough
drjamessidbury: the amount of memory that you can use depends of the O/S and on the chipset on the motherboard.
drjamessidbury: For example, I beleive that my macbook pro is limited to 4 gb ram because of the chipset.
drjamessidbury: I'm sure that we'll find out in september when it comes out.
drjamessidbury: Storage today for the most part is disk storage
drjamessidbury: tape is available for backup and a few esoteric uses but for you and me and our computers tape is a dead technology
drjamessidbury: disks basically come in two flavors
drjamessidbury: magnetic and optical
drjamessidbury: magnetic is hard drives, floppy drives, zip drives, external drives which are usually hard drives
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drjamessidbury: optical is cd, dvd, cd burners, dvd burners, blu-ray
drjamessidbury: from my perspective there are two major differences between memory and storage
drjamessidbury: memory is volatile and storage is not
drjamessidbury: this means that when the power is turned off that memory loses its contents
drjamessidbury: while storage does not
drjamessidbury: so storage is where things are kept "perminently" while memory is where things are kept while being used.
drjamessidbury: von neumann architecture says that the program that is running is in memory while it's running and on disk when it isn't
drjamessidbury: it's also on disk while it is running but that's irrelevant sort of
drjamessidbury: memory is about 10x or maybe 100x or 1000x as fast as storage
drjamessidbury: hard disks are much faster than optical disks 10x or moer
drjamessidbury: ROLL CALL
borysboy: Jesse Borys
PaulinaM2012: Paulina Maida
amyo8x2: amy oconnell
rtzjm8: Molly Hritzo
BB uu GG 22 44: Donald Belcher
dialkyle19: kyle frank
drjamessidbury: well we can pick up here on Monday
marix3anne: marianne patterson
marix3anne: okay thanks
drjamessidbury: any questions about today's stuff?
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PaulinaM2012: nope
BB uu GG 22 44: ok
rtzjm8: ok, thanks! no
dialkyle19: nope, thanks
drjamessidbury: any questions about lab or any assignments ?
drjamessidbury: otherwise CID
rtzjm8: no
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PaulinaM2012: thank you, have a nice evening!
borysboy: is the access code for the myITlab in that book?
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drjamessidbury: what book?
rtzjm8: good night! Have a good evening!
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borysboy: the GO! 3rd addition office 2007
drjamessidbury: no it's a separate purchase unless you bought the bundle with it.
drjamessidbury: how much did you pay?
borysboy: ok no I just bought it on amazon, I paid like $90
drjamessidbury: then it doesn't have the access code
borysboy: ok so I do have to buy that online
drjamessidbury: you have to buy one from the myitlab web site
drjamessidbury: it's 65 dollars and there'
drjamessidbury: s a link on the site
borysboy: ok I just wanted to make sure before I bought the code online
borysboy: thanks, good night
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