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marix3anne has entered the room.
drjamessidbury: Anyone have any questions/comments before the session starts?
marix3anne: none here
PaulinaM2012: nope
rtzjm8: Am I still scheduled to give my presentation after class?
borysboy: this is the last class right?
drjamessidbury: yes molly you are
drjamessidbury: this is the last class night
rtzjm8: thanks
marix3anne: is ther presentation optional?
drjamessidbury: yes the presentation is optional and must be scheduled no later than Wednesday evening
drjamessidbury: It can't hurt your grade (but probably wont help it much if any)
marix3anne: okay but is it optional even if we did the powerpoint?
drjamessidbury: if you didn't do the powerpoint then you didn't do the project
drjamessidbury: so it's optional if you did the powerpoint and not available if you didn't
marix3anne: okay sounds good
marix3anne: i did the powerpoint, but i'm not going to give a presentation
drjamessidbury: I'll send each of you an e-mail sometime this evening to your U e-mail account with info on your grade (for c/1l 102 only NOT the lab)
rtzjm8: ok
drjamessidbury: it will tell you your current grade and what you will have to do on the final if you wish to take it.
BB uu GG 22 44: okay
drjamessidbury: for example I might send an e-mail with the following info
amyo8x2 has entered the room.
drjamessidbury: B- 30/50/80/90
drjamessidbury: this is just an example
drjamessidbury: this would mean
drjamessidbury: your grade is B-
drjamessidbury: if you take the final and make at least a 30 you get a B
drjamessidbury: if you make at least a 50 you get a B+,
drjamessidbury: etc
drjamessidbury: You will need to tell me no later than midnight on Wednesday whether you intend to take the final exam or not
drjamessidbury: if I do not hear from you I will assume that you don't want to take the final exam
drjamessidbury: I have decided not to offer the final at one time in one place
drjamessidbury: so if you're relatively local you can make an appointment to come to my office to take it
drjamessidbury: if you're not we can set up a situation for the exam to be sent to someone else who will proctor the exam for you.
drjamessidbury: The proctor must be an educator (teacher, librarian, maybe something else) or a lawyer or judge
drjamessidbury: The proctor cannot be related to you
drjamessidbury: But the proctor can be a family friend or employer.
drjamessidbury: Questions on this?
borysboy: nope
amyo8x2: no
rtzjm8: Do we have to let u know by wednesday who will be proctoring the exam if we want to take it?
drjamessidbury: I would like the final exam to be taken ASAP, preferrably before the middle of July.
drjamessidbury: no, molly
rtzjm8: OK, Thanks
drjamessidbury: The lab grade will be explained at the end of the session today
rtzjm8: ok
drjamessidbury: When I send the e-mail tonight with your tentative grade, you should respond to it no later than noon tomorrow, so that I will know that you got it
drjamessidbury: OK let's finish up everything
drjamessidbury: ROLL CALL
rtzjm8: Molly Hritzo
PaulinaM2012: Paulina maida
marix3anne: marianne patterson
BB uu GG 22 44: Donald Belcher
borysboy: Jesse Borys
amyo8x2: Amyn o'Connell
drjamessidbury: any questions about anything covered previously?
BB uu GG 22 44: nope
marix3anne: nope
rtzjm8: Nope
borysboy: Nope
drjamessidbury: hearing none we will proceed
amyo8x2: no
drjamessidbury: How many of you use "loyalty cards"?
marix3anne: i dont think so...?
amyo8x2: i dont think so either
PaulinaM2012: me neither
rtzjm8: I don't
drjamessidbury: of those of you who do, what kind is it?
drjamessidbury: I use a Price Chopper advantage card
rtzjm8: My mom does though
borysboy: is that like the grocery cards?
drjamessidbury: it gives me a discount on gasoline
borysboy: yea I have one for weis
rtzjm8: She has a superfresh club card
borysboy: it tracts everything I buy
drjamessidbury: for every 50 dollars that I spend they give me 10 cents off per gallon (max 20 gallons) for a fillup
rtzjm8: the club card gives discounts on frequently purchased items
BB uu GG 22 44: oh nice
drjamessidbury: since my vw beetle only holds about 14 gallons it's not as good for me as it might be for others
drjamessidbury: I also have a CVS card which gives me discounts
borysboy: u should put a couple spare gas tanks in the trunk, and fill those up for free
amyo8x2: lol
rtzjm8: haha
drjamessidbury: when I fill a prescription for example the cash register receipt may be a 5 dollar discount on 20 dollars if spent within 5 days
drjamessidbury: there's not that much room in the trunk of a beetle
drjamessidbury: and the max is 20 gallons anyway
drjamessidbury: occasionally I'll fill my lawn mower gas can (which only holds 2 gallons) when I'm filling up
rtzjm8 has left the room.
borysboy: I should get one of those
drjamessidbury: and many other grocery stores have discounts with their card on special items.
drjamessidbury: The other night we had a cookout and hot dog buns were 2 / 3 dollars (rather than 2.59 each) so I got one pack for 1.50
drjamessidbury: the advantage for the user is clear
drjamessidbury: lower prices
drjamessidbury: the advantage for the store is less clear but might include ....
rtzjm8 has entered the room.
drjamessidbury: <dr sid patiently waits for a response>
borysboy: they track your buying habits
drjamessidbury: how does that help them?
rtzjm8: Sorry, I lost my connection for a moment
PaulinaM2012: they know which foods are worth it for them to market and which are less popular (so they buy less of these)
rtzjm8: they can offer promotions they know you will purchase
drjamessidbury: OK
amyo8x2: if they sell more (even on sale) they make more
rtzjm8: they can then stock more efficiently and be left with less stock
borysboy: they see what groups of people buy what
borysboy: so like if old people buy a lot of tuna
borysboy: they'll put a lot of tuna in areas that have a high percentage of older people
drjamessidbury: they can also see what things are bought in combination
drjamessidbury: for example if they put hot dog buns on sale does the sale of hot dogs go up?
rtzjm8: or if stores with a high concentration of families buy ice cream they stock that
rtzjm8: sometimes
drjamessidbury: so it's definitely a tool that works for inventory management
drjamessidbury: Can anyone suggest a nefarious (perhaps) advantage for loyalty cards?
rtzjm8: they can track where and what you buy
drjamessidbury: and why is that bad?
amyo8x2: hmm
borysboy: if you buy something with a loyalty card and commit a crime they'll easily track it to you
rtzjm8: they are constantly monitoring you which is an invasion of personal privacy
drjamessidbury: why is that bad?
drjamessidbury: OK so I buy a six pack of coca-cola and then go hold up a gas station. How are they going to track that to me?
rtzjm8: the system could be hacked and your info leaked
borysboy: it might make your feel uncomfortable knowing that the company is watching you
rtzjm8: Big Brother
amyo8x2: no i think he meant like if you buy ..some rope? or something. lol.. you know?
drjamessidbury: and how would leaking my info be "bad"
rtzjm8: well people with nefarious motives could use it to stalk you, or for identity theft
drjamessidbury: OK so I go to Lowes and buy 3 tons of fertilizer and someone blows up a building then I become a suspect
borysboy: yep like that
drjamessidbury: what exactly is "identity theft"?
amyo8x2: yeah
amyo8x2: when someone else pretends to be you..
rtzjm8: when someone uses your identity to commit crimes, run up bills, take out mortgages or empty your bank accounts
drjamessidbury: but to run up bills or take out mortgages etc generally requires someone to get hold of some personal identification of mine such as my ss number
borysboy: does a company store all your info together? such as credit card numbers, address, phone number, and buying habits?
drjamessidbury: AFAIK, Price Chopper doens't have that info
drjamessidbury: that depends on the company
borysboy: I know to get a card you need to give them your address and phone number
drjamessidbury: I assume that they don't because in general I suspect that they aren't actually interested in ME but rather in the aggregate of people who shop in scranton or who are males or over 50 or ...
drjamessidbury: I know with my advantage card they track me via my drivers license number since you can use that if you have left your card at home
drjamessidbury: One possible bad use that I can see would be to sell my shopping habits to other companies.
drjamessidbury: I'm sure for example that Blue Cross might be interested in knowing that I buy lots of candy, ice cream, red meat, and no vegetables
drjamessidbury: or fruit
drjamessidbury: since that could indicate that my health risk might be bad
amyo8x2: hmm
drjamessidbury: fortunately I buy lots of veggies and fruit and I don't buy ice cream in the grocery store because decent grocery store ice cream is too expensive
borysboy: or they might sell the info to a casino that you buy a lot of lottery tickets
drjamessidbury: OK
amyo8x2: true
drjamessidbury: but I don't buy lottery tickets
drjamessidbury: I give my money to my bookie and she buys the tickets
drjamessidbury: have any of you ever been the victim of identity theft or something similar?
drjamessidbury: I have
rtzjm8: no
marix3anne: no thankfully
PaulinaM2012: no
borysboy: nope
BB uu GG 22 44: no
amyo8x2: nope
amyo8x2: my sister was though
borysboy: actually I did get a message once from paypal that someone tried to make a purchase or something
drjamessidbury: details
borysboy: they froze my account for a week
borysboy: and made me change my password
drjamessidbury: I've had 3 experiences
rtzjm8: really?!
PaulinaM2012: what happened?
amyo8x2: i dontknow, she said they purchased 300-400 dollars in concert tickets
drjamessidbury: in one case I got a phone call from discover card asking if I had just purchased 5000 dollars worth of computer equipment from a store in tennessee
drjamessidbury: I said no
amyo8x2: i was abroad so i never really found out what happened - i think she had to pay for it
drjamessidbury: my daughter had someone purchase airline tickets with her credit card number
PaulinaM2012: that's tough...did she have to pay?
amyo8x2: oh wow
drjamessidbury: I also had 3 separate charges of the same amount (about 75 dollars) from Hard Rock Cafe for a lunch at the same restaurant on the same day
drjamessidbury: I challenged that and it was cleared in my favor
BB uu GG 22 44: good
drjamessidbury: the other case was that a credit card of mine was used by Mrs. James Sidbury to buy a 400 dollar piece of jewelry from Tiffany's and send it to San Diego to someone named "Louie Louie"
drjamessidbury: fortunately my wife's name is not the same as mine so that was also decided in my favor
amyo8x2: lol wow
rtzjm8: wow, weird!
borysboy: lol
drjamessidbury: Personally I feel that credit card fraud is more likely to occur by dishonest waiters or people cruising the trash at stores than with internet purchases
drjamessidbury: In fact at least two of my credit cards allow me to generate a single number good for one purchase only with a limited amount
drjamessidbury: So for example, I can get a brand new master card number good until this friday for one purchase of no more than 200 dollars.
rtzjm8: that's smart
drjamessidbury: then I just buy what I want and even if someone steals the number it can't be used again
amyo8x2: i used to work at a pizza place and we would take cc numbers over the phone for orders... i always thought it was such a stupid idea because anyone could steal those numbers, or easily use a stolen cc number to make purchases at a place like where i worked
borysboy: paypal has a thing like that for online
borysboy: it generates a 1 time credit card number
drjamessidbury: Have any of you ever been Pfished?
drjamessidbury: successfully?
rtzjm8: no
amyo8x2: ?
drjamessidbury: I get dozens of pfishing attempts each week
amyo8x2: no
drjamessidbury: most of my browsers will alert me if I click on such a link that it's probably a scam
borysboy: oohh I get those, I actually get weird phone calls too
drjamessidbury: I don't worry about that for me, but I do worry about that for members of my family who are more trusting
borysboy: I got a message once that my car insurance is out of date and I have to call back immediately
amyo8x2: yeah me too. i dont have a car.
amyo8x2: lol
BB uu GG 22 44: lol
borysboy: yea I don't own one either it's all under my parents name
rtzjm8: I used to get calls like that at the place where I worked as a receptionist
drjamessidbury: I get lots of those from banks about attempts to break into my account
drjamessidbury: even for banks that I don't have an account at
drjamessidbury: you know that if you point your pointer at the link it will actually show you what it is?
drjamessidbury: usually you find that it
drjamessidbury: 's an ip address rather than a domain
rtzjm8: yeah. I sometimes do that on newslinks so they don't send me to some phony link
drjamessidbury: so I often do an nslookup on the ip address and discover that the roumanian branch of bank of america needs me to make some changes in my account
drjamessidbury: are you familiar with tinyURL?
rtzjm8: no
amyo8x2: no
borysboy: nope
marix3anne: no
PaulinaM2012: no
drjamessidbury: It's a useful service. Lots of times you want to send a link to someone and it's about a bazillion characters long and spans several lines
drjamessidbury: and when someone clicks on it they only get the first part so they go to the wrong place
drjamessidbury: anyhow tinyURL will allow you to take one of these links and they will convert it to a short link that can be clicked on and is convenient
drjamessidbury: typically it will be something like http://www.tinyurl.com/q?jos930ru0wej
drjamessidbury: which I just made up
drjamessidbury: and it's very convenient for putting on a web page or an e-mail message or a news post
rtzjm8: that makes sense, I
rtzjm8: ve had that happen to me
drjamessidbury: the disadvantage is that I could post something like the following.
drjamessidbury: Here's a useful link for comparing online banking, http://www.tinyurl/q? oiwe092343
drjamessidbury: and actually that's not a link to such a place but rather a link to a site that will plant a virus on your computer
drjamessidbury: so some people are hesitant to click on links like those even if they are convenient
drjamessidbury: One of the things that you can do if you're hesitant, and I did this and feel better about that is to go to www.tinyurl.com
BB uu GG 22 44: for sure lerss sketchy
drjamessidbury: and check a box and they will put a cookie on your computer so that when you click on one of these links you are transferred to the tinyurl web site which shows you the entire link that you're clicking on so you can decide whether you want to do this
rtzjm8: that makes sense and gives someone an added sense of security
drjamessidbury: so it protects you somewhat and takes one extra click (plus the 1 minute to set up the service)
drjamessidbury: Do any of your families use network censoring software on their computers?
marix3anne: no
borysboy: no
BB uu GG 22 44: no
rtzjm8: no
PaulinaM2012: yes
drjamessidbury: I don't but I don't have any young kids to worry about
rtzjm8: my high school did though
PaulinaM2012: my parents blocked facebook from my brother
borysboy: my high school did too but it was very easy to get around
rtzjm8: my high school blocked myspace and facebook
drjamessidbury: In the past I thought about blocking the entire internet at my house between midnight and 6 am but never did
rtzjm8: people actually got suspended when the network flagged them to the administrators
borysboy: proxy sites always get around those though
rtzjm8: what for?
drjamessidbury: at bed time people shouldn't be up doing stuff
drjamessidbury: that was my thougth
borysboy: lol
amyo8x2: yea
rtzjm8: yeah, but it becomes impratical when you are still working on a project
drjamessidbury: you see, my daughter used to be hard to get up in the morning when she was in middle school and high school
rtzjm8: even if it is due the next week
drjamessidbury: Well if a family makes it clear that the internet is off at midnight then kids will eventually learn to plan ahead
drjamessidbury: I probably have a different viewpoint than you do now
borysboy: my parents just shut off the modem if they feel like no one should be using the internet
drjamessidbury: but not different than you will have when you have kids of your own
rtzjm8: probably
drjamessidbury: there was a controversy at the U several years ago when we had a USENet server and several sites were blocked
rtzjm8: which ones were blocked?
borysboy: what sites did they block?
amyo8x2: what kinds?
drjamessidbury: most of them were blocked because the material that was available on them was mostly illegal copyrighted material
drjamessidbury: and some porno
drjamessidbury: but also some sites that discussed abortion were blocked as well
rtzjm8: I don't see any problem with that
borysboy: oh lol
rtzjm8: oh
PaulinaM2012: yeah....for some reason i got a porn pop up at the library the other day
drjamessidbury: I don't actually see any problem with blocking any such stuff if that's the University's policy
drjamessidbury: sure you did...
rtzjm8: it makes sense.
borysboy: I can see blocking porno in the library
amyo8x2: yeah
drjamessidbury: actually it's probably happened to almost everybody
rtzjm8: yeah
PaulinaM2012: it just suprised me that it happened in the library
PaulinaM2012: i thought they of all places would have protection
drjamessidbury: I'm not sure whether the library blocks anything
drjamessidbury: they aren't required to
drjamessidbury: at least by the federal government
drjamessidbury: lower level schools and public libraries are required to block stuff "to protect the children"
drjamessidbury: I also think that adults can request that the library remove the block on the computer they are using and libraries are supposed to do so
drjamessidbury: But I don't even know if the Scranton Public Library
rtzjm8: I didn't know that
drjamessidbury: s computers are connected to the internet
drjamessidbury: since I don't do surfing there
rtzjm8: haha
BB uu GG 22 44: tjhey have waves there?
drjamessidbury: ???
BB uu GG 22 44: for surfing
borysboy: surfing... on waves
BB uu GG 22 44: lol sorry
PaulinaM2012: lol
drjamessidbury: OK, I'm slow today
BB uu GG 22 44: lol okay
amyo8x2: lol
drjamessidbury: let's take a short break. I have 7:36. Let's start back at 7:41
marix3anne: okay
borysboy: ok
PaulinaM2012: ok
BB uu GG 22 44: kk
rtzjm8: ok
drjamessidbury: OK, I'm back
amyo8x2: hi
borysboy: ok
rtzjm8: hi
PaulinaM2012: me too
marix3anne: me three
BB uu GG 22 44: ok
drjamessidbury: RC
rtzjm8: Molly Hritzo
BB uu GG 22 44: Donald Belcher
PaulinaM2012: Paulina maida
borysboy: Jesse Borys
marix3anne: marianne patterson
amyo8x2: Amy O'connell
drjamessidbury: Let's finish with academic freedom, copyright and intellectual property
rtzjm8: k
PaulinaM2012: ok
amyo8x2: alright
drjamessidbury: academic freedom in the context of this class involves what is ethical and legal to do with intellectual property
rtzjm8: such as citing sources, etc
drjamessidbury: first of all IP (intellectual property rather than internet protocol) is stuff that's created by individuals or organizations that's intellectual in nature
drjamessidbury: such as music, poetry, software
drjamessidbury: academic honesty is the concept that if you use something that someone else created you cannot claim it as your own
drjamessidbury: OLD JOKE
drjamessidbury: If you take one piece of information from someone else it's called plagiarism
drjamessidbury: if you take lots of information from lots of people it's called ...
drjamessidbury: I'
drjamessidbury: I'm waiting for someone to guess the punch word
drjamessidbury: but not much longer
amyo8x2: thinking..
rtzjm8: learning?
drjamessidbury: if you take lots of information from lots of people it's called research
amyo8x2: oh.
rtzjm8: haha!
amyo8x2: lol
PaulinaM2012: makes sense :-)
borysboy: I agree with that why is it a joke?
drjamessidbury: when individuals write computer programs they often use the same basic stuff over and over
drjamessidbury: it's a joke because someone sent it to me along with a lot of (other) jokes
rtzjm8: everyone builds on the basics someone else discovered
drjamessidbury: for example when you are working in word and want to change the size of the window you grab the side or corner, hold down the mouse button and drag
drjamessidbury: and you do the same thing for excel and powerpoint and ...
drjamessidbury: so the same program code could be used in all three cases to perform that task
rtzjm8: and the same person did not create each one
drjamessidbury: Well Microsoft did create all of them but it also works in photoshop, itunes, and other programs
drjamessidbury: and there are lots of ways that this software to do that can be accomplished ethically
drjamessidbury: it's called software reuse
rtzjm8: is it covered under copyright laws
drjamessidbury: it turns out to be the case that if you figure out how to resize a window and i figure out how to do it independently and whichever of us figured it out last can prove that we did it independently then it's not a copyright or patent or trade secret violation
drjamessidbury: there are certain rules that have to be followed to show that
drjamessidbury: and in this particular case the technique is probably well known and standard and something that programmers learned in school so there's no problem.
rtzjm8: I see.
drjamessidbury: It could also be the case that someone wrote the specific steps and sold the right to use those steps to the various companies that use them
drjamessidbury: programmers can buy "libraries" of functions and processes that they can incorporate in their programs with no ethical or legal problems
drjamessidbury: Now academic freedon (in the context of this course) says that certain things that are illegal and/or unethical
drjamessidbury: in ordinary use are not in academic use
rtzjm8: plagarism
drjamessidbury: for example if I take a book and photocopy a page of it for my personal use that's probably a violation of copyright law
drjamessidbury: but if I take that same book and make a copy of one page and distribute that page to my class for discussion then that's OK.
drjamessidbury: It's not OK to copy the whole book or even substantial parts of it
drjamessidbury: but brief excerpts can be used for educational purposes
drjamessidbury: AFAIK, plagiarism is not a crime
drjamessidbury: it's typically not allowed in educational circumstances
drjamessidbury: besides it was implicit (at least I thought so) that when I handed out the page for discussion in class that I informed the students what the source of the page was
drjamessidbury: that keeps it from being plagiarism
rtzjm8: what about newspapers? Are they penalized for plagiarism?
drjamessidbury: Example?
drjamessidbury: if a newspaper takes something that I wrote and copies it in an article in such a way as to appear that it was the reporter's work then that is copyright infringement and can be prosecuted
rtzjm8: Well during the election, a number of papers were saying the same things word for word that some congressman did and not crediting him. It was on the news. I don't remember who though
drjamessidbury: if a newspaper "quotes" me and gives me credit then there is probably no problem
drjamessidbury: but IANAL
amyo8x2: ?
drjamessidbury: I am not a lawyer
amyo8x2: oh lol
amyo8x2: sorry
drjamessidbury: but that goes for everything I say here and everything I said on the web site
PaulinaM2012: lol
drjamessidbury: it's a common acronym
amyo8x2: i didnt know
drjamessidbury: now you do
PaulinaM2012: me neither
amyo8x2: nowq i do
drjamessidbury: anyhow if an author creates intellectual property then copyright is automatically given to the property created
drjamessidbury: if you wish to enforce your copyright then you have to register it
drjamessidbury: For example this entire chat session is copyrighted
drjamessidbury: probably by this class
drjamessidbury: but unless we registered our copyright in the copyright office we can't sue someone for stealing it
drjamessidbury: The purpose of copyright is to encourage the creation and dispersal of intellectual property
rtzjm8: If an author publishes a book is it automatically copyrighted?
drjamessidbury: If JK Rowling were not able to copyright Harry Potter then anyone could make copies of the books and sell them and she wouldn't make money from them and the theory goes would therefore not feel it worthwhile to write the other books in the series
drjamessidbury: if a book is "published" then it is automatically copyrighted.
drjamessidbury: BUT the copyright is not automatically registered.
rtzjm8: ok
drjamessidbury: presumably the company that publishes the book with file a registration with the copyright office
drjamessidbury: This registration gives the owner certain rights and in return the owner gives the public other rights
drjamessidbury: In general once something is registered the owner has control of initial distribution of the copyrighted material subject to fair use
drjamessidbury: For example, when George Lucas copyrighted "Star Wars" he had the right to decide whether it was to be released to movie theaters and when (so long as the theaters wanted to show it).
drjamessidbury: and when it could be released to video tape, dvd, etc
drjamessidbury: but once walmart had purchased copies they could control the selling of the copies.
drjamessidbury: once I bought the laser disk of the original movie (without the aweful "A New Hope" title stuck on it) then I had control of that copy and could do whatever I wanted with it as long as it was fair use regardless of what Lucas or Fox thought about it
drjamessidbury: So I could sell you my laser disk if I wanted to and there's nothing he could do about it
drjamessidbury: OTOH I could not make a copy and sell or give the copy to you
drjamessidbury: With digital IP there can be problems.
drjamessidbury: Even if it weren't illegal, making a copy of a copy of a copy of ... of a VHS tape will eventually produce a copy that is so aweful that it's unwatchable
drjamessidbury: Back in my youth, a friend showed me a copy of a copy of a copy of "the empire strikes back" that was taken with a camcorder in a movie theater.
drjamessidbury: The quality of the picture was awful
drjamessidbury: but with digital versions of IP copies are indistinguishable from the originals
drjamessidbury: If it were technically feasible to duplicate a DVD movie the copy would be "just as good" as the original.
drjamessidbury: and copying music CDs or software on CDs loses no quality from the original
drjamessidbury: if you "rip" video or music then that copy is degraded somewhat but a copy of the original is just as good
rtzjm8: but you can still copy it for your own use, right. Like if I wanted to watch a movie at home, and my sister wanted to take the same movie with her to college.
rtzjm8: without buying another copy of the DVD.
drjamessidbury: So we have to get into fair use since it now becomes practical to duplicate IP
drjamessidbury: in general you don't own the IP.
drjamessidbury: so if you have a DVD of Gran Torino you don't own the movie, you own the DVD
drjamessidbury: and you have the right to use the DVD in certain ways
drjamessidbury: but you don't have the right to use it in other ways
drjamessidbury: For example, I can play GT on my DVD player and watch it
drjamessidbury: I can also invite my friends to my house and play it
drjamessidbury: or take it to a friend's house and watch it there
drjamessidbury: BUT, I don't think I can take it to school and show it to my class or play it in an auditorium
drjamessidbury: whether or not I charge admission
drjamessidbury: BTW everything I say here that might be illegal, would probably be legal under the appropriate circumstances.
rtzjm8: why not? Isn't that educational material?
drjamessidbury: For example, if I had a contract with the production company to show the movie then it would be OK
rtzjm8: oh
drjamessidbury: Oh, I could show excerpts from the movie to my class
drjamessidbury: and I could probably show the whole movie to my class if the class were a class on movies
drjamessidbury: I don't recall any CGI of substance in Gran Torino so I probably would be on shaky grounds if I were showing it to a computer graphics class
drjamessidbury: But I might be able to show Terminator or Transformers or Star Trek to a class studying animation
rtzjm8: but you could with a movie such as jurassic park or star trek
drjamessidbury: but I couldn't show it in Denaples auditorium
drjamessidbury: yes
drjamessidbury: So when the U shows movies they probably have a license from someone to show them. I don't know if they use film or some video format
drjamessidbury: I've taken several film classes here and seen lots of movies but it was allowed in those circumstances
drjamessidbury: some of the rules are very strange
drjamessidbury: for example if I draw a picture and put it on my web site then you can go to my web site and look at it
drjamessidbury: you can download it to your computer (even if I try to prevent you from doing so)
BB uu GG 22 44: so the movie has to be related to the class to be shown leagly?
drjamessidbury: you can put a link on your web site to my web site
drjamessidbury: the movie has to be related to the class to be shown legally OR there has to be a license to show it
BB uu GG 22 44: oh ok
drjamessidbury: the U shows movies most weekends to the general campus and I'm relatively confident that they are doing it legally
drjamessidbury: but you can't take my drawing and put it on your web site
drjamessidbury: you can e-mail your mom telling her to go to my site to look at the pictuer
drjamessidbury: you can show her the picture that you downloaded from my computer if you show it to her on your computer
drjamessidbury: but you can't send her a copy of it
drjamessidbury: even if it's free
drjamessidbury: unless of course you get my permission to do so
drjamessidbury: if you rip a song you can put a BRIEF CLIP of it on your web site if you're reviewing it or writing an essay about some music style or otherwise doing educational stuff with it.
drjamessidbury: If I write a song and you sing it you can't put your rendition on your web site (without my permission)
drjamessidbury: OTOH if you take my song and do a parody of it then you can put that on your web site even if the music is "sort of" identical
drjamessidbury: youtube has gazillions of parodies of songs and movies and ...
drjamessidbury: and AFAIK most things on Youtube aren't copyright violations
drjamessidbury: although you do find people will occasionally put stuff like that on and it will then be taken off
drjamessidbury: As an interesting note to this, if the copyright owner changes his mind about making something public then it's no longer public but public copies are still OK
drjamessidbury: two examples:
drjamessidbury: when Spider-man first came out (the original one) there was an online trailer of a bank robbery in which the robbers took money and then took off in a helicopter
drjamessidbury: the trailer was taken off the web because the end of the trailer showed the helicopter enmeshed in a giant spider web between the twin towers of the world trade center
drjamessidbury: and naturally sony didn't want to upset the sensibilities of everyone by reminding them of the terrible tragedy
amyo8x2: oooo
drjamessidbury: (is is obvious here that I'm being sarcastic)
drjamessidbury: anyhow if you have a copy of that trailer like I do then that's ok
drjamessidbury: but you can't legally get a copy of it now
drjamessidbury: questions?
rtzjm8: no
PaulinaM2012: nope
marix3anne: no
BB uu GG 22 44: nope
borysboy: nope
drjamessidbury: OK, let me make a few short comments about the lab
drjamessidbury: The myITLab material will stop working on July 17 so you have to be finished with that stuff by then.
drjamessidbury: I would prefer if you had all the other stuff done by TOMORROW but I recognize that that's not likely to happen for everything for everybody
drjamessidbury: except for lab 2, all the other stuff should be put on your lab web site for my review
rtzjm8: I can have the rest done by Wednesday or Thursday
drjamessidbury: lab 2 can be mailed to me (and should have been two weeks ago , I think)
BB uu GG 22 44: k
drjamessidbury: I think the library lab (in Angel) expires at the end of July but I'm not sure
drjamessidbury: there will be no exam for the lab
PaulinaM2012: about that - the first podcast didn't play for me
drjamessidbury: I'll just grade the stuff that's turned in (and the stuff that's not turned in)
marix3anne: so will we fail if we dont have everything done by tomorrow?
marix3anne: because i finished myitlab, but i still have to do a few of the others, and i'm not sure that it will all be done tomorrow
drjamessidbury: two points:
drjamessidbury: you don'
drjamessidbury: only the test will be graded so you don't really have to do the podcast
PaulinaM2012: ok
drjamessidbury: but if it doesn't work you should probably contact someone in the library and tell them
drjamessidbury: give them info such as
drjamessidbury: what kind of computer and operating system
drjamessidbury: how you were getting the podcast : from campus, from out of state, whatever
drjamessidbury: I'm sure that they would like to know
drjamessidbury: I think there's a link on the library web page which will allow you to chat with a university librarian so you could give them that info
PaulinaM2012: ok
drjamessidbury: or you could send an e-mail to Betsey Moylan, moylanm1@scranton.edu and let her know
drjamessidbury: questions here?
marix3anne: nope
amyo8x2: no
rtzjm8: no
BB uu GG 22 44: no
PaulinaM2012: no
drjamessidbury: then we are done
marix3anne: okay thanks
amyo8x2: okay...goodnight everyone, take care
rtzjm8: ok
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BB uu GG 22 44: thanks bye
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drjamessidbury: I need a break of two or three minutes before one of you does your project for me
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rtzjm8: Do you want me to stay or just open a chat with you?