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drjamessidbury: Good evening
drjamessidbury: I need some info from everyone that I forgot to put down last time
drjamessidbury: What kind of computer do you have?
drjamessidbury: Brand (if you know)
drjamessidbury: type (desktop, notebook, whatever)
drjamessidbury: What operating system?
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BB uu GG 22 44: Good evening, I have a laptop using windows XP
rtzjm8: Hi everyone! I have a laptop using Mac OS X
drjamessidbury: who are you two?
rtzjm8: This is Molly Hritzo.
BB uu GG 22 44: Donald Belcher
drjamessidbury: kyle?
dialkyle19: yes
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drjamessidbury: what kind of computer
drjamessidbury: what type
drjamessidbury: what O/S
dialkyle19: windows xp
drjamessidbury: i.e. Lenovo notebook Windows 7 is one of the possible answers that I could give
rtzjm8: dr. sidbury, I was attempting to set up my website today and was having a bit of trouble. Any recommendations for Macs?
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dialkyle19: oo im using an ibm thinkpad
drjamessidbury: can you explain Molly
drjamessidbury: For creating the Web page I use KompoZer (which you can google) it's just like NVU except slightly better since it;'s a newer version.
rtzjm8: well, I was not able to modify my properties or create lines.
drjamessidbury: For copying files, I use FileZilla instead of Core FTP
rtzjm8: I'll try KompoZer and File Zilla. Are they Mac compatible?
drjamessidbury: What properties were you trying to modify?
drjamessidbury: both are available in several versions including mac. I have both mac and windows computers
rtzjm8: the website origins. I was following the instructions I downloaded from the lab website links.
drjamessidbury: what program did you use to do the modifications?
rtzjm8: NVu
drjamessidbury: It should have worked?
drjamessidbury: Molly are you local?
marix3anne: +6
rtzjm8: no, down near Philly, and after tomorrow, I am in Baltimore, MD
drjamessidbury: OK so you can't come by my office.
drjamessidbury: If you want to work on it sometime maybe we can get together via IM and I can walk you through it
drjamessidbury: If anyone is local then you can meet with me in my office for help
rtzjm8: no, unfortunately. Thanks!
drjamessidbury: otherwise we'll have to do it via IM (or if you're verizon and it doesn't cost me any minutes we could do it via mobile phone)
rtzjm8: I am verizon. I can email you my number later.
drjamessidbury: OK
rtzjm8: Thanks!
drjamessidbury: plus a convenient time to connect with each other.
drjamessidbury: ROLL CALL
dialkyle19: kyle frank
borysboy: Jesse Borys
rtzjm8: Molly Hritzo
amyo8x2: Amy O'Connell
marix3anne: marianne patterson
PaulinaM2012: paulina maida
BB uu GG 22 44: Donald Belcher
drjamessidbury: so we're missing Dorow and Kurnath?
drjamessidbury: Wednesday your project proposal is due
rtzjm8: I am emailing mine later tonight
amyo8x2: you said 3-4 pages?
drjamessidbury: so far I've gotten preliminary ideas from Paulina Cassie and Donald
drjamessidbury: The rest of you should probably shoot me a short e-mail telling me your tentative idea so that I can approve it
amyo8x2: ok
rtzjm8: OK
dialkyle19: k
marix3anne: okay
borysboy: ok
drjamessidbury: Also I've gotten a preliminary idea for the "B" project from Paulina
rtzjm8: when should that be approved?
drjamessidbury: I'm in less of a hurry for those but only one person can do a particular topic and Paulina has got dibbs on the iPod
rtzjm8: OK
drjamessidbury: Well the B project is due the last week of class but as soon as you have an idea you should let me know so that no one else takes that project
BB uu GG 22 44: are there any specific due dates for the lab?
rtzjm8: I didn't see a schedule yet.
drjamessidbury: I was going to get that up on my Web site but my eyes are not co-operating as much as I'd hoped. I'll have it done by tomorrow, I hope.
BB uu GG 22 44: okay thanks
drjamessidbury: The Web site lab should probably be done by the end of this week if possible.
borysboy: does the project and the B project have to be related?
drjamessidbury: I may make manor modifications to the intro lab since I assume that all of you can do e-mail with attachments
rtzjm8: thanks. Is the access compatible with Mac, or should I use WIndows?
drjamessidbury: the project and the B project should NOT be related
drjamessidbury: although I'd consider special cases if you wanted them to be
rtzjm8: I found an interesting article today.
drjamessidbury: OK tell us about it
rtzjm8: in Taiwain, they are creating cellphones that use minimal battery power by reflecting ambient light using miniscule mirrors.
rtzjm8: Kinda like a peacock's tale
drjamessidbury: everything is compatible with mac with one possible exception and I'm working on that.
rtzjm8: that way the battery lasts much longer
drjamessidbury: I'm not sure that the myITlab works with anything other than internet explorer, but I'm trying a mac version of that to see if it works.
rtzjm8: OK, thanks!
drjamessidbury: where did you see this?
amyo8x2: that is pretty cool. i wish my battery would last longer... lol
rtzjm8: it was on newsmax.com under science and technology. It was a link from AP
rtzjm8: Me too. They have one on the market with only 2 colors, but hope to have a full spectrum one up soon.
drjamessidbury: I bought a pair of batteries from some online cell phone supply place after dropping my phone is a creek and ruining my battery
drjamessidbury: the batteries are only 600mah each but will last for two or three days
rtzjm8: I gathered from the article, which was short, that this was in the screen of the phone
drjamessidbury: but then I don't use my phone that much.
rtzjm8: That's amazing!
amyo8x2: ok.. my cell battery lasts a day at most... and its only 6 months old
drjamessidbury: and the batteries were only about 20 dollars for 3 batteries
drjamessidbury: are there any Web sites that you go to daily? I check out www.engadget.com which is a blog about new technology stuff
drjamessidbury: some of which is truly wierd
amyo8x2: lol
drjamessidbury: like the cardboard box for seven dollars designed to hold used disk drives
rtzjm8: I look on apple.com, and breibart
drjamessidbury: I also check www.xkcd.com every MWF
amyo8x2: why only MWF?
drjamessidbury: it's a comic web iste and new comics come out 3x per week
borysboy: right now I check mac rumors a lot because of Apple's world wide developer conference
drjamessidbury: some of the comics are ... adult in content and language but mostly are pretty harmless
rtzjm8: I am addicted to news websites in general.
drjamessidbury: I'm going to look at the WWDC news when this class is over to see if anything interesting was announced.
drjamessidbury: probably iPhone 3.0 but I can't afford a data plan for my phone
rtzjm8: me too. I was interested in any new iPhone news.
borysboy: yea the next iphone is coming out in like 10 days
drjamessidbury: Today's reading assignment was all the "intro sections" on the course web site plus all the network tab
rtzjm8: I can't wait til verizon gets the iPhone.
drjamessidbury: so, lets take a quick run through that stuff
drjamessidbury: any questions or COMMENTS about the intro to hardware
rtzjm8: I really enjoyed the howstuffworks video on hardware.
drjamessidbury: oh, and another web site that I go to daily is www.giveawayoftheday.com which is a site where they give away windows software one day only
marix3anne: i have a question about the intro
marix3anne: it says that the motherboard is contained within the case. what is the case?
drjamessidbury: but if you go there then you need to read the comments before choosing something to get
drjamessidbury: the "case" is the box that the computer is housed in.
marix3anne: oh okay.
drjamessidbury: for a notebook it's the container with the keyboard and a hinge to the screen.
marix3anne: okay
drjamessidbury: for a desktop it;'s the box that contains all the stuff that the keyboard, monitor, etc are connected to
marix3anne: okay. that makes sense.
drjamessidbury: unless you have an iMac
rtzjm8: Its amazing how much is fit into that case!
drjamessidbury: then the case is inside the screen
drjamessidbury: how about the software intro?
amyo8x2: the case is in the screen??
amyo8x2: cool..
BB uu GG 22 44: wow that's interesting
drjamessidbury: well that makes it very compact
rtzjm8: But the screen is very big, the size of a small TV.
drjamessidbury: OTOH it packs everything very tightly which makes things run hot and difficult to repair unless you send it to a shop
rtzjm8: they don't break often though.
drjamessidbury: I take apart most of my desktop systems and work on them myself
rtzjm8: cool!
drjamessidbury: true they hardly ever break
drjamessidbury: do any of you read the onion?
amyo8x2: no/
amyo8x2: what is it
borysboy: what is it?
marix3anne: i never heard of it.
rtzjm8: me either.
PaulinaM2012: isn't it a humor magazine?
drjamessidbury: it's a Web site with "fake" news. It appeals to my sense of humor
PaulinaM2012: what is an example of systems software? they say operating system, but are there specific names?
drjamessidbury: do a google search on onion macbook wheel
amyo8x2: "obama drastically scales back goals for america after visiting dennys"
amyo8x2: lol
drjamessidbury: and if you watch be sure to read the crawl at the bottom of the screen
drjamessidbury: systems software is the operating system;
drjamessidbury: examples of operating systems are:
drjamessidbury: windows vista
drjamessidbury: windows xp
drjamessidbury: windows 7
drjamessidbury: mac os x
amyo8x2: ohh
drjamessidbury: linux
drjamessidbury: and others
PaulinaM2012: oh ok
PaulinaM2012: thanks
amyo8x2: linux? i never heard of that
marix3anne: so every computer would have only one operating system?
drjamessidbury: you would only use one operating system at a time (usually)
marix3anne: okay
drjamessidbury: for example you can run mac os x (pronounced oh ess ten)
drjamessidbury: on a mac but you could also run windows
drjamessidbury: just not at the same time (unless you do something called virtualization) which you;ll read about later
rtzjm8: yeah, its pretty cool. But takes a bunch of memory and storage.
borysboy: does parallels use virtualization or something else?
drjamessidbury: Linux is a version of Unix an operating system invented by Bell labs and used by lots of researchers and computer science departments;.
drjamessidbury: parallels is a virtualization program for the mac
drjamessidbury: Linux is used by a couple of companies that you may not have heard of
rtzjm8: is it used for medical stuff and gaming?
drjamessidbury: google and yahoo
amyo8x2: lol
drjamessidbury: Linux is used for all kinds of applications
rtzjm8: i was talking about parallels
drjamessidbury: the most popular gaming platform is probably windows (not counting playstation, wii, xbox etc)
drjamessidbury: oh, parallels is used for whatever windows programs you need to run if you have a mac
rtzjm8: Oh, thanks!
drjamessidbury: for example I have an extensive DVD collection (almost 2000 and counting) and the best program for cataloging a DVD collection is called DVD profiler and is available in windows only
drjamessidbury: it's also the case that the version of quicken ( a financial management program) for windows is better than the version for mac.
drjamessidbury: I have a program called Fusion that also virtualizes windows that I use on my mac but both are supposed to be quite good
BB uu GG 22 44: Yes I have used that before
drjamessidbury: as is a free program called virtual box
drjamessidbury: any other comments about software?
drjamessidbury: ok questions/comments about data?
marix3anne: yes.. i had heard before that all data in computers was classified in 0's and 1's... is this incorrect?
drjamessidbury: all data in computers is stored in codes that use zeros and ones.
drjamessidbury: essentially circuits either have current flowing through them or they don't
BB uu GG 22 44: They use binary numbers don't think?
drjamessidbury: if the current flows that's a one
drjamessidbury: if it doesn't that's a zero
marix3anne: oh okay.. i wasnt sure what character, images, sounds, and motion meant.
drjamessidbury: so all data can be represented in binary
marix3anne: oaky
amyo8x2: those codes must be very long..?
drjamessidbury: that's one of the pages in the data tab
amyo8x2: oh right
marix3anne: oh
drjamessidbury: depending on how you look at it the codes can be long.
amyo8x2: it says a bit is a zero or a one
amyo8x2: but a byte... that can be very long?
drjamessidbury: basically for standard ASCII text, (what you're reading on the screen now) there are less than 200 different possibliities so each character that you type can be represented by a sequence of 8 zeros and ones.
marix3anne: wow.. that is a lot
drjamessidbury: so a paper with 5000 characters would have 40000 zeros and ones.
rtzjm8: Is this the same for programming codes?
drjamessidbury: but that's like saying that a book is just a long string of symbols
drjamessidbury: and while that's true it doesn';t seem that way when we're reading it.
drjamessidbury: the codes are sort of the same as programming codes
rtzjm8: OK
drjamessidbury: that is they use the same groupings but if the computer knows that one string of symbols is a paragraph in a paper it will interpret it differently than if it's part of a progarm.
rtzjm8: i see.
drjamessidbury: and pictures, sounds and animations are all done similarly but differently
drjamessidbury: all that is covered in different parts of the data tab
drjamessidbury: are we ready for the networking section?
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amyo8x2: ops i lost internet for a sec..sorry
drjamessidbury: hearing no descent we'll start on networking after a 5 minute break
drjamessidbury: ROLL CALL when you return
rtzjm8: ok
amyo8x2: ok
dialkyle19: k
borysboy: k
PaulinaM2012: ok
BB uu GG 22 44: ok
marix3anne: okay
drjamessidbury: OK, I',m back from putting in my eye-drops
drjamessidbury: ROLL CALL
rtzjm8: Molly Hritzo
marix3anne: marianne patterson
dialkyle19: kyle frank
PaulinaM2012: Paulina Maida
BB uu GG 22 44: donald belcher
amyo8x2: Amy O'Connell
borysboy: Jesse Borys
drjamessidbury: OK, on to networking
drjamessidbury: that's what we're using now obviously
drjamessidbury: networking is simply the process of connecting computer (systems) to each other)
rtzjm8: like the wireless network in Scranton
drjamessidbury: the Internet (spelled with a capital I) is an example of a really big network
drjamessidbury: yes
drjamessidbury: it's pretty easy to understand each individual part, but there are a lot of parts
drjamessidbury: a LOT of parts.
rtzjm8: definitely!
drjamessidbury: in its simplest form the thing that's sent from one computer to another across a network is called a message
drjamessidbury: so when discussing networking the term "message" has a much broader meaning than in every day usage.
drjamessidbury: a web page that your browser downloads is a message
drjamessidbury: an e-mail message is a message
drjamessidbury: an IM is a message.
rtzjm8: so is a post or blog, right?
drjamessidbury: if you're listening to streaming audio then it's a message
drjamessidbury: yes
BB uu GG 22 44: Simple enough
drjamessidbury: but a blog is just a particular type of web page
amyo8x2: ok what do we do on the internet thats NOT a message
drjamessidbury: hmmm...
drjamessidbury: well nothing provided
rtzjm8: isn't viewing a web page, sending a message to the server?
amyo8x2: well i get the main idea i think. most of what we do on the Internet is sending messages
drjamessidbury: you don't make an exception to a bunch of messages
drjamessidbury: that's correct
drjamessidbury: so this entire IM session is not A message
drjamessidbury: it's a series of messages
rtzjm8: each entry is a message
drjamessidbury: yes
amyo8x2: gotcha
drjamessidbury: but normally messages are too long to be sent and received
amyo8x2: is each letter that i type a message?
drjamessidbury: no
drjamessidbury: n
drjamessidbury: o
drjamessidbury: t
drjamessidbury: u
drjamessidbury: n
drjamessidbury: l
drjamessidbury: e
amyo8x2: sorry i dont know if that was a dumb question
amyo8x2: ahh ok ok i gotcha lol
drjamessidbury: s
drjamessidbury: etc
amyo8x2: right
drjamessidbury: when a message is sent it is broken down into a bunch of parts called PACKETS
amyo8x2: yeah question about that :
amyo8x2: why are these packets sent through separate routes?
drjamessidbury: so for example a packet could be a collection of 32 characters
drjamessidbury: the packets are not NECESSARILY sent through separate routes
drjamessidbury: but they can be
amyo8x2: ahh
drjamessidbury: in fact they almost never are
amyo8x2: Oh
drjamessidbury: each packet is comprised of two parts:
drjamessidbury: a body
drjamessidbury: and a header
drjamessidbury: the body is the content of the packet
drjamessidbury: the header is info about the packet
drjamessidbury: OK so let's assume that you and I are doing (personal) IM
amyo8x2: alright
drjamessidbury: I type a line that's only one packet long
drjamessidbury: what info needs to be in the packet's header
drjamessidbury: i.e. what does the packet need to insure that it's delivered to the correct recipient
rtzjm8: the destination IP address
drjamessidbury: yes, the packet needs to know where it's going
PaulinaM2012: does it also need to know where it came from?
drjamessidbury: yes, it needs to know where it came from too
PaulinaM2012: so, the sender's IP address
drjamessidbury: yes
drjamessidbury: BTW are IP addresses clear from the reading?
rtzjm8: yes
drjamessidbury: if not ask a quesiton or make a comment
BB uu GG 22 44: Exactly what are they?
amyo8x2: i think its clear
amyo8x2: oh
drjamessidbury: an IP address is an identifier which identifies an address on a network
BB uu GG 22 44: okay
rtzjm8: it is in how the internet works
drjamessidbury: When your computer is hooked to a network the network has to know where messages are going, where they are coming from
drjamessidbury: so each computer that's hooked to the 'net has to have an address
drjamessidbury: there are several kinds of addresses, IP addresses, domain names, and MAC addresses
rtzjm8: but doesn't it change when the computer connects and disconnects?
BB uu GG 22 44: Does each computer had its own individual address
drjamessidbury: the IP address is associated with your internet connection
amyo8x2: oh
borysboy: if there's a limited amount of ip addresses does that mean a limited amount of people can get on the internet?
amyo8x2: for some reasoni thought the IP address stayed the same
amyo8x2: guess that doesnt really make sense
drjamessidbury: so if you turn your computer off and turn it back on later the chances are that it will get a new IP address
drjamessidbury: the IP address COULD stay the same
drjamessidbury: for some cases it needs to stay the same
drjamessidbury: for others it doesn't
rtzjm8: personal computers don't stay the same, right?
marix3anne: is there an unlimited amount? and is the assignment sort of arbitrary or does a certain IP address have a certain meaning?
drjamessidbury: for example the ip address of www.cil.cs.scranton.edu (the web server for this class) must stay the same because you're getting information from it
drjamessidbury: but your computer's IP address doesn't need to stay the same because no one is getting information from it.
drjamessidbury: unless you're giving it to them specifically
drjamessidbury: when you're not online then there is an extra IP address available for other use
drjamessidbury: it's sort of like the concept of a parking permit
drjamessidbury: if you buy a parking permit that doesn't give you a parking space
drjamessidbury: it gives you the right to look for a parking space
drjamessidbury: but when you pull into the lot tomorrow morning the space you get will probably not be the same as the space that you got this morning
amyo8x2: lol i like the analogy
drjamessidbury: unless you have a reserved place
rtzjm8: so that's why, before wireless, modems used to search for an IP address?
drjamessidbury: or you arrive really earln
drjamessidbury: yes
drjamessidbury: domain names are just words that replace ip addresses
drjamessidbury: it's easier to remember www.cil.cs.scranton.edu than to remeober 134.198.168.8
drjamessidbury: so domain names are for the conveninece of people
drjamessidbury: and IP addresses are what computers actually use to make connections.
PaulinaM2012: when the university of scranton assigns the last two numbers of an IP address, do they have to tell the ICANN what it is?
borysboy: I heard we could run out of ip addresses by 2010 and not be able to get online
drjamessidbury: the third kind of address is a MAC address (media access control)
rtzjm8: or is that IP address only in use on the U of S server/network?
drjamessidbury: no the U does not have to tell anyone
marix3anne: what is ICANN?
drjamessidbury: the U has a computer called a domain name server that has a list of all the addresses that are used on campus.
drjamessidbury: so if you wanted to go to the literacy server www.cil.cs.scranton.edu you would type that name in
drjamessidbury: depending on where you are it would recognize scranton.edu as either being your network (if you're on campus) or not being on your network, if you
PaulinaM2012: oh ok.......ICANN=Internet corporation for assigning names and numbers - they assign IP addresses
drjamessidbury: 're not on campus
drjamessidbury: so if you're off campus when you type in www.cil.cs.scranton.edu your network will contact the u's name server which will tell it what particular IP address is associated with that name
drjamessidbury: so ICANN wont know but you computer knows who to ask to find out.
drjamessidbury: so the IP address for you changes each time you log on to the internet just like when you pull into the parking lot you'll get a different parking place.
drjamessidbury: Occasionally you'll gtet the same place but not always
marix3anne: can IP addresses be reused?
drjamessidbury: the MAC address is associated with the circuit board in your computer which does the networking
drjamessidbury: yes IP addresses can be reused just like parking places
marix3anne: okay
drjamessidbury: the ip address is composed of 4 parts of eight bits (zeros and ones)
drjamessidbury: each of these 8 bits can be a zero or a 1 so there are 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 different possible patterns for each of the parts
drjamessidbury: that's a total of 256
drjamessidbury: so the total number of IP addresses available in the world is 256x256x256x256
drjamessidbury: and that's not enough
drjamessidbury: actually the situation is more complicated than that because of the way that the ip addresses are allocated.
drjamessidbury: for example the U of S has exclusive rights to 134.198
drjamessidbury: everything that starts with that is ours.
drjamessidbury: so we have 65536 different addresses.
amyo8x2: is it like that with other countries too?
borysboy: wow
drjamessidbury: I'm pretty sure that we don't even use 10000 of these
rtzjm8: are they empty, for future students
drjamessidbury: but we were an earlier adopter of the internet so we got a class B network
drjamessidbury: they are not being used but could be used if the U needed them
drjamessidbury: what is happening is that there is a new scheme that will be brought in in a few years
drjamessidbury: It will use 6 groups instead of 4 which will give 65000 times as many addresses as there are already.
drjamessidbury: that works out to approximately one ip address for every 1 million atoms in the universe
rtzjm8: amazing!
drjamessidbury: that will probably last a while
drjamessidbury: and that's basically how the mac addressing works.
PaulinaM2012: lets hope the atoms won't start wanting their own IP addresses :-)
amyo8x2: lol
drjamessidbury: :_
drjamessidbury: so lets finish up by going back to packet headers
drjamessidbury: we've already established that the header contains the address of the sender and the receiver
drjamessidbury: so a packet gets to your computer and your computer sees that it's a packet that's supposed to come to you.
drjamessidbury: what does your computer do with that packet?
drjamessidbury: bueller ,wake up!
amyo8x2: haha
borysboy: your computer handles the packet
drjamessidbury: how does it "handle" it?
amyo8x2: does it interpret it
drjamessidbury: where does it put it?
dialkyle19: ram?
borysboy: with whatever program the packet is for, like a aim packet is handled by the aim program
drjamessidbury: that's too vague an answer
drjamessidbury: right
amyo8x2: ok
drjamessidbury: now how does it know that a packet that's coming is is an AIM packet and not a web packet or an e0mail packet or a download packet or something else
borysboy: the header?
drjamessidbury: the answer is of course that the packet header has info about what the packet is for
drjamessidbury: this info is called a port
drjamessidbury: and a port is just a number
drjamessidbury: so for example if the port is 80 then the packet is for the browser
drjamessidbury: if the port is 25 the packet is e-mail
drjamessidbury: if the port is something else then the packet is for whatever that would be
drjamessidbury: I dont right off hand remember what the port number for IM is
drjamessidbury: the last mandatory thing in the header is a sequence number
drjamessidbury: when the packets get to the destination they have to be put back togethet to form the message
drjamessidbury: and so the sequence numbers tell what order the packets should be arranged in
drjamessidbury: depending on the nature of the packets there may be other info that's contained in the packet header.
amyo8x2: you said before that often the packets do "travel" the same route... why would they be separated?
amyo8x2: i mean.. why would they take separate routes
drjamessidbury: FINALLY let me give you a warning about where you can get confused
drjamessidbury: fi there were lots of packets a particular route might become congested so some of the packets would take different routes and even if they didn't they would not necessarily arrive in the same order in which they were sent
drjamessidbury: here is my warning
drjamessidbury: e-mail
amyo8x2: thanks
drjamessidbury: when you send me an e-mail it's called a message
drjamessidbury: further e-mail messages are broken down into message bodies and message headers
drjamessidbury: so it's easy to confuse the header of an e-mail message with the header of a packet.
drjamessidbury: DON'T DO THAT.
amyo8x2: ok
rtzjm8: thanks!
dialkyle19: got it
marix3anne: okay makes sense
drjamessidbury: the e-mail message header is long enough that when it's sent it will probably be broken down into individual packets each of which has its own header.
drjamessidbury: we'll talk about e-mail, searching, security and wireless next time.
marix3anne: okay
rtzjm8: sounds good!
drjamessidbury: go over the networking tab one more time and if you have any questions about stuff be prepared to bring them up on Wednesday
rtzjm8: quick question, for those of us taking lab.
drjamessidbury: CID
drjamessidbury: ok
rtzjm8: Will setting up our website be our first lab?
drjamessidbury: you can treat it like that.
rtzjm8: OK, when will that be due?
drjamessidbury: I will discuss myITLab setup next time so you can do other stuff like web page and web search before that
amyo8x2: ok
rtzjm8: OK
drjamessidbury: You really need to have your web site set up by the end of the week
rtzjm8: I understand, for the project/
drjamessidbury: I'll try to finish the Lab info tomorrow
borysboy: where does it say how to set up the website? Is it in that book?
BB uu GG 22 44: ok.
drjamessidbury: Well the web lab will build an entire web site of which one page will be for homework and that's what you will use for the projects
rtzjm8: ok
drjamessidbury: there is a word document on my home page under the cil 102 lab tab labeled
amyo8x2: ok
drjamessidbury: Lab Schedule
drjamessidbury: lab 3 I think
drjamessidbury: e-mail me tomorrow if you have questions.
borysboy: ok thank you I found it
drjamessidbury: I should have everythign up before noon
rtzjm8: ok
dialkyle19: k
drjamessidbury: CISD
amyo8x2: Goodnight
BB uu GG 22 44: You can just use that to set up a website can't you. The web link
drjamessidbury: yes
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BB uu GG 22 44: ok
rtzjm8: Goodnight!
marix3anne: thanks.. bye!
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borysboy: good night
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PaulinaM2012: so.....do we need to do the lab in the book? or is setting up our website going to be the lab?
drjamessidbury: setting up the web site will be the lab that you need to do first
drjamessidbury: what lab in the book are you talking about?
PaulinaM2012: i don't know, the exercise that the book might give us to set up a website
drjamessidbury: I don't think there is one.
drjamessidbury: it's on MY web page in Word
PaulinaM2012: ok, i didn't know
drjamessidbury: that's OK
PaulinaM2012: ok
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PaulinaM2012: thank you, and good night!
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drjamessidbury: wake up kyle and log off